Oppo, I have seen the light.

"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
02/18/2015 at 09:42 Х Filed to: None

Light cars are amazing. Double wishbones are amazing.

I went from a heavy car with this

To a car 1200lbs lighter with this

And I am in heaven.

Either Mr Regular doesn't really know what he's talking about (or there was something wrong with teh civic he drove) or there is a significant difference between my 1998 civic and the 2002 he drove, because I went gofast around some bends last night for the first time, comfortably sitting 10mph faster than I'd ever dare go in the Murdersofa, and I let off the throttle ever so slightly and was rewarded with the back starting to pull outwards. Maybe it was my imagination, but that really seemed like liftoff oversteer and that makes me very happy.

On one hand I want to modify my suspension to make it go better, but on the other hand I'm fine with how it handles and I love how it rides and I don't want to ruin it... ugh. Decisions.

DISCUSSION (24)

Leon711 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:45

Welcome to European thinking.

I personally welcome you and hope you stay.

Milky > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:47

Either Mr Regular doesn't really know what he's talking about

Or maybe you're comparing driving it to a Buick ЕЕ.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:47

7th gen+ has struts.

PS9 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:48

It was more than just talk; you could see right there in the video the point where the car started to plow.

Does yours have any suspension mods?

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:50

Now if we can just get you into something with correct wheel drive, twice the power and double wishbone suspension you will really be happy.

jkm7680 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:51

Idea: Strip and cage the Murdersofa.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > PS9
02/18/2015 at 09:51

No, it all looks stock. No sway bars or anything, still a pretty large amount of body roll. The difference is it has better (not wider, but slightly softer) tires. That might be the cause.

As Du Volant > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:51

Simplify, then add lightness.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
02/18/2015 at 09:51

So my 6th gen has double wishbone, and the 7th has macpherson struts?

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Leon711
02/18/2015 at 09:52

I don't think I could stand to go back.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:54

precisely. the ones after had macphersons too.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > As Du Volant
02/18/2015 at 09:54

Wouldn't a McPherson strut technically be simpler than double wishbone? :P

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
02/18/2015 at 09:55

Well that makes me sad. With all the talk in the RCR of the 2002 Civic having really nice suspension (what is 'independent rear suspension' in a FWD car anyways?) I expected double wishbones :/

As Du Volant > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 09:58

Technically, but a double wishbone is lighter and better for handling.

When a strut compresses the camber angle of the wheel changes, but a double wishbone maintains its camber.

Tekamul > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 10:00

I had a 98 black EX coupe. They are very rewarding in corners, just underpowered elsewhere.

And as someone else already pointed out, civic went MacPherson after 2000.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 10:00

Kinja'd!!!

Time for a Mustang II swap.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Tekamul
02/18/2015 at 10:09

I'm saving up to replace the D16 with a VTEC powerplant. 7.1 second 0-60 sounds quite lovely.

Sn210 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 10:12

Murderofficechair?

Murderfoldingchair?

Murderpatioset?

Kinja'd!!!

Tekamul > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 10:37

If you're going that route, go B16A2 and add a hondata flash. At least that's what the 20 year old me is saying in my head.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Tekamul
02/18/2015 at 10:41

That sounds so awesome and so expensive I really want to do it

Rock Bottom > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 11:06

They initially used wishbones because it allowed a lower hoodline. That helped them keep the CG down low, which is why those Civics are so scrappy around a track. Later, European pedestrian safety standards (and then American and Japanese) required cars to have higher and higher hoods, so the lower profile of the double wishbone suspension was no longer necessary from a packaging stand point. They figured that if the gubberment is gonna make them use a tall hood line, then they might as well fill the damn thing up.

Rock Bottom > As Du Volant
02/18/2015 at 11:08

Double wishbone's prime advantage is that it allows the whole car to have a lower CG. McPherson struts are tall (because the coil has to be above the tire) and necessitate a high hood line to cover them up.

Rock Bottom > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/18/2015 at 11:12

Build a junk-yard turbo motor, skip the VEETAK. You can do that for cheap and the parts are all over the internet and cheap. If you really have to have that cam change-over shit, go find a smashed RSX-S and build a K20 car. VETAAAKK D16s are limp and not as much fun as you think. The step up from what you have is barely noticeable.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
02/19/2015 at 14:35

There is a significant difference between 6th and 7 th gen Civic.